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law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that was quite an amazing thing from his perspective about u ultimately knowing what that gets you. >> the existence of that data, the existence of the data in the public sphere, the data being sent to police and the way in which the kind of crowd sourcing amateur investigation was intersecting with, sometimes derailing the official investigation, the way that things that were spotted on an internet thread would end up in an official's e-mail which would then end up back reported out. >> we have lessons about how this might look going
law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that...
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that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old. his family was seeking asylum. he didn't come here as some sort of radical -- he was 8 years old. >> he was on the wrestling team. >> wrestling team. right. you just interviewed his classmates. what a great interview. this guy was later radicalized and his brother probably played a key role in doing it and some on the internet and maybe some other influences, both here and abroad. and i think that the terrorism analysts, the experts on that, like roger cressey, those kind of guys will be digging in that so deep, they will
that helps law enforcement. if he can be encountered and talked to, he might be able to negotiate through a peaceful surrender. the older brother might have been -- we already know he had a suicide vest on and he charged the police. so look, this is not a common occurrence in america. a guy with a suicide bomb on charged the police. it's extremely unusual. so -- i mean, that's very different. so we know that he's alone now. we also know that when he came to the united states he was 8 years old....
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that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans are blaming obama. there was a hash tag they were trying to get trending, obama flight delays yesterday. i don't know if that worked. >> catchy. >> what effect is all of this, this blame game stuff. what is that going to have on budget politics? >> i think the easy answer, but i think the correct one is that it is a pox on both the houses and the presidency. the fact is people don't distinguish that much for the most part if they're fair-minded. it is true the president suggested using the sequester tool as part of the negoti
that's what the law says. that's what's happening with the faa, with the tsa, with every other alphabet soup agency in government. >> so howard, how badly are people feeling these cuts? there was an atlantic headline yesterday that caught my eye. it said, airports holding up under the crushing weight sequestration. my friend was on a plane yesterday and he said the pilot got on the radio and told the passengers, if the service was bad, blame republicans for the furloughs. now, republicans...
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that's up of the most powerful federal laws. if two or more people conspire to commit a crime against the united states. that can add in additional co-conspirat co-conspirators. if he was talking to somebody on the phone, like al qaeda always use handlers like that, we're about to drop it, there could be other conspirators. it could have been a foreign call. it could be a fake call. two conspirators. federal speconspiracy charges. there could be accomplices helping afterward and before. maybe they surveilled this before. preincident indicators. maybe they come out and walk the route. so this is a whole lot of developments for agents and police that are going to help them crack this case and get to the bottom of this and the main thing, you know, like the ceo of netscape said the main thing is trying to keep the main thing the main thing. the main thing is no more bombs. >> what you know about this bomb, jim, is it possible that this could have been put together on site? that it didn't have to be carried on an airport? that the t
that's up of the most powerful federal laws. if two or more people conspire to commit a crime against the united states. that can add in additional co-conspirat co-conspirators. if he was talking to somebody on the phone, like al qaeda always use handlers like that, we're about to drop it, there could be other conspirators. it could have been a foreign call. it could be a fake call. two conspirators. federal speconspiracy charges. there could be accomplices helping afterward and before. maybe...
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you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up. >> when you look at their psychology, you talked just now about the distinction between individuals prepared to lay bombs then ratcheting that up to actually strapping a vest on with an explosive. what about the distinction between a willingness to kill ordinary members of the public then actually murder police officers? because we know that a police officer at m.i.t. was murdered last night and they shot at another and he's currently in hospital. >> right. last night they were just in such a mode of escape and mission and suicide that who knows what they were going to do. they didn't even know what they were
you know, what do they do when the law enforcement -- what does the fugitive do when law enforcement put their pictures out? we've done it many times over the years. you don't have choices, fight, flight or surrender. they fight, they fly or surrender. what do these guys do? fight and flight. they can't even decide to do. >> right. >> they're so discombobulated by the fact law enforcement is now on their tail. they're fighting and they're fleeing. their plans were all messed up....
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to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of the world, for whom collateral damage is a way of life. in iraq today, over 30 were killed and a dozen injured. a reminder of the incessant violence that has plagued that country ever since the departure of the last u.s. troops in syria this week, brings talk of a new massacre, killing at least 350, the latest casualties of a conflict in which the number of dead is now rounded up to the nearest thousand. if boston has given america anything, it is a renewed sense of purpose and a chance to strengthen the things that have made us the weakest. dzhokhar tsarnaev will be afforded a civilian
to be the freest country in the world is to abide by the laws that preserve those freedoms. especially when they are tested. to be a truly equal society. will require much of americans in the coming days and weeks to not bend to the paranoia and fear that make us into them. and as a nation that aims to foster freedom and equality around the around, we should acknowledge that while we mourn the innocent victims of the boston attacks, so, too, should we mourn the individuals in other corners of...
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the sister-in-law and brother-in-l brother-in-law? >> the brother-in-law apparently spent most of his time at college, so it is unclear at this point what their relationship was. >> now, what's the fbi -- is sense ny way of knowing what of smell about her? when so many of these cases i've watched through history where somebody does something, of a submersive nature, and the spouse does get targeted for the investigation -- and sometimes incriminated, is there any sense in the behavior of the authorities what their view is of her role of innocence or guilt here? >> you know, like i said earlier, you know, they're asking to interview her. they obviously want to talo her. she was married to him. her lawyer says she is cooperating. as to whether or not they've actually spoken or not, it's unclear. they do obviously want to talk to her. >> i'm waiting to see a report when we find out. that's big news when they sbe t interrogate her. >>> coming up, another day, another republican with an offensive ethnic slur. these guys live in isolation b
the sister-in-law and brother-in-l brother-in-law? >> the brother-in-law apparently spent most of his time at college, so it is unclear at this point what their relationship was. >> now, what's the fbi -- is sense ny way of knowing what of smell about her? when so many of these cases i've watched through history where somebody does something, of a submersive nature, and the spouse does get targeted for the investigation -- and sometimes incriminated, is there any sense in the...
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this is against the law. the act was passed to prevent and stop this very type of threatening effort. the person he refers to, mr. bray along with mr. leach and mr. roder are all identified with the most extremist wing of the anti-abortion network in this country. that's what he's talking about. it advocates the murder of doctors that provide abortions in an effort to end abortion. this is domestic terrorism. these are not speech issues, which some people say this is his right to free speech. this goes beyond that. it crosses the line into illegal activity under the freedom of access to clinic entrances law. this is a threat. the law says you can't use violence and you cannot use the threat of violence. >> right. >> in an effort to stop the provision of abortion services. >> now, david leach was questioned by the des moines register and he was asked to clarify his statements. here's what he said. he says, opening that same building again is a provocation. it's designed to enrage people. it's not something tha
this is against the law. the act was passed to prevent and stop this very type of threatening effort. the person he refers to, mr. bray along with mr. leach and mr. roder are all identified with the most extremist wing of the anti-abortion network in this country. that's what he's talking about. it advocates the murder of doctors that provide abortions in an effort to end abortion. this is domestic terrorism. these are not speech issues, which some people say this is his right to free speech....
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we already have veggie libel laws, you remember when oprah was sued ten years ago. she made a comment on the air that crashed the beef market. she said she would never eat a hamburger again after learning how beef was produced. and the national cattleman's industry sued her for $10 million and she had to spend $1 million to defend herself. we should know whether it is genetically modified, whether it has additives. if you have personal choice to let the market decide, you need to give people the information they need to make good choices. >> michael, before we let you know, if people are cooking less and watch tv with chefs cooking -- >> isn't that weird. there are more americans watching the food network than cook being for themselves. i think we are intimidated about cooking. one thing i would do is help fem fall ba tobacco cooking. -- i would like to help people fall back into cooking. >> the president dining with the ladies in the senate last night. what they talked about, what they are saying today and of course what they ate. we are back spinning next. we went
we already have veggie libel laws, you remember when oprah was sued ten years ago. she made a comment on the air that crashed the beef market. she said she would never eat a hamburger again after learning how beef was produced. and the national cattleman's industry sued her for $10 million and she had to spend $1 million to defend herself. we should know whether it is genetically modified, whether it has additives. if you have personal choice to let the market decide, you need to give people...
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also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much for being on the show today. >> thank you. >>> tomorrow on "morning joe" -- >> i love, mika, the daily news covered it. you flashed. >> yeah. >> and the one last week. right after the lost vote. >> no. i mean, it's just -- absolutely, after the lost vote. >> talking about the cowards on the hill. >> mm-hmm. tomorrow on "morning joe" google executive chairman eric schmidt joins us here onset. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills o
also, the fact we can't even pass a gun trafficking law, a national gun trafficking law that stops gang members from passing gun to gun to gun, who's against that? i don't understand how anybody could be against tough gun trafficking legislation. or background checks for criminals and terrorists. >> it's the same dynamic. but i think the dynamic is going to change. you're in one lane or the other. to get more people to cross lanes we've got to have an election cycle. >> senator bob...
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they are law abiding. they go through a background check when they purchase their firearm and want everybody else to go through a background check. to speculate that because a state like wisconsin, you know, a tradition of gun ownership, those are the very people that understand the responsibility and this t lethality of a firearm and don't want the criminals. those persons dangerously mentally ill giving them a bad name. i would speculate that, you know, we are going to see a different sort of gun owner emerge. there is -- serious but small percentage of gun owners who are radical and -- you know, just fire, you know, and threaten and -- let their voices be heard. i suggest that they are a minority of gun owners. >> the biggest category we have to get to is the rank and files, biggest category we have. we are going through that after this. >>> life is full of surprises except when it isn't. that brings us to the anti-background senators that followed the script perfectly. they are senators that don't alwa
they are law abiding. they go through a background check when they purchase their firearm and want everybody else to go through a background check. to speculate that because a state like wisconsin, you know, a tradition of gun ownership, those are the very people that understand the responsibility and this t lethality of a firearm and don't want the criminals. those persons dangerously mentally ill giving them a bad name. i would speculate that, you know, we are going to see a different sort of...
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there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once again, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and eugene robinson, thank you, as well. we'll be reading your column in the "washington post." >> and let me ask you quickly. are you surprised your home state of south carolina won on this background check issue is an 86/12 proposition? >> i am not surprised. i am floored. i know that district. and look at it on the map. i mean, if it's 86/12 in that district, then this ought to be over. and politicians ought to take a look at that because that's a very, very conservative swath of the state. and there you have the numbers. it's incredib
there's a law called the national defense act of 2012 that says specifically u.s. citizens cannot be tried in military tribunals. they're arguing he should be questioned as an enemy combatant and then turned over to the civilian justice system. i don't think this will change their view. and, of course, what the fbi says is this is what he has told them. but they have to now verify this. and of course, they are working to do that. >> all right. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. once...
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scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you brought it up. i don't know much about this relationship. why is he keeping a secret, what cheney told him to do? >> part of the key here is to look at it from cheney's point of view and bush's point of view. cheney believes it and george bush, what he saw at the end of his eighth year tenure who is elbowing him saying come on, the law be damned, let's give this guy a pardon, it was exactly the kind of thing that bush himself found repulsive in the case of other presidents, including bill clinton, he gave some pardons. >> he thought this is something i don't like. it was one guy who was the decider and it w
scooter gave up his law practice, his white shoe law firm and everything to serve cheney and everyone in the country in his way. he was talking to everybody for cheney. at the time, cheney stepped back and acted like he had nothing to do with it. which is it, is he a soldier or an outlaw? >> don't forget, he lied for dick cheney. >> i know he did. how can he say it both ways, he wasn't doing our job for us and yet he died as a soldier on the field? your thoughts, wayne, because you...
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so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great britain and study. you now have seen the paradigm shift that people have been seeinging coming for 30 years now. you started it in china. why in china instead of boston or los angeles? >> i think the economic center of the world is clearly moving to asia. you have the second largest country in the world, china, the third largest, japan. and you can see that the trend is somewhat inexorable. one of the reasons for this in terms of doing a major program is that if china continues growing at double or triple the rate of the western countries and creating 10 million jobs a year, whereas, there is virtually n
so, for example, if they were studying law they would get the head of the largest law firm in beijing to adopt them and see how a law firm work and meet their families and so forth. plus, we are going to have pretty robust program designed by both western academics as well as the professors. >> you got the idea this was west meets east with this program that you're starting. it's interesting, though, as the times reported, rhodes wanted everybody in the british empire to come to great...
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supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb political analyst and republican strategist john feehery. somehow i have a different attitude towards the republicans and the democrats who voted on this thing. i don't know why it is because i'm not always partisan. but i really do have a problem with mitch mcconnell. i would like to see him get stung hard on this one. why do i think like that? because he tends to be an s.o.b. generally? does anybody like that guy? >> you don't like mr. mcconnell but i like him. >> you like mr. mcconnell. >> i don't think this is going to hurt him. >> you'r
supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb...
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same gun control laws. different. policy is changing. >> half of the guns used in crime in chicago flow in from indiana, for example. >> same thing in new york from north carolina and from virginia and from florida. i'd say three-quarters of the guns i seized as a prosecutor and mayor came from outside new york city. i seized them and took them out of the hands of the bad guys. that's what you have to do. you have to have a aggressive -- >> tough trafficking laws is important? >> all of these things is important. the president might have done something like bill clinton did with the comprehensive crime control bill. put together this massive piece of legislation. stuff that conservatives and liberals hated and vice versa. i supported it because it provided a hundred thousand cops, it provided the death penalty restored. liberals supported it because it supplied a lot of money for rehabilitation programs, for improving jails, for cutting down on lengths of stay in jail at times with different kinds of programs. and it
same gun control laws. different. policy is changing. >> half of the guns used in crime in chicago flow in from indiana, for example. >> same thing in new york from north carolina and from virginia and from florida. i'd say three-quarters of the guns i seized as a prosecutor and mayor came from outside new york city. i seized them and took them out of the hands of the bad guys. that's what you have to do. you have to have a aggressive -- >> tough trafficking laws is important?...